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Dark Summoner Monster Mutations
« on: August 13, 2012, 12:31:47 AM »
Monster Mutations
Monsters below A-level can mutate into other creatures through sacrifice. This only works if one creature is sacrificed at a time, and appears at this time to result in a random new creature which may be of higher tier than the original. The level of the new creature is reset to 1, regardless of the existing level of the mutated creature. When a monster is being mutated, the lightning around the pillars you see in the animation, is blue instead of purple.

It is unknown at this time what variables affect mutations, or if certain creatures have a set number of other creatures they can mutate into. At this time, the in-game documentation has very little information about this process and hopefully it will be a more developed mechanic in the future.


The in-game help states that "When you Sacrifice, there is a chance a mutation may occur where the enhanced monster metamorphoses into a different monster. In this case, the level of the mutated monster will go back to Level 1. Please note that mutations will not happen when more than one monster is consumed in a single Sacrifice. It is said that mutations are more likely to occur in Rank C monsterse." This appears to imply that mutations are entirely random, affected only by the Rank of the monsters involved.

If you have experimented with this mechanic, please post your experiences in the Talk section. Please include the tier, level and type of creature that was mutated, and the same for the one that was sacrificed, then the type and tier that was created.


Monster                         Rank                Mutated                 Rank
2x Green Soul Banshee                      Poison Spit Frog           B+
2x Verdgris Fairy           C              Bone Smash Ettin+   B+
2x Bone Smash Ettin+   B+              Copper Scale Serpent   
2x Violet Fairy                   C              Cyclops                            B
2x Red- Haired Chimera   C              Battle-Ax Beast         B+


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Re: Dark Summoner Monster Mutations
« Reply #1 on: August 22, 2012, 05:40:11 AM »
Let me start by saying my profile page under the records tab list me as having 16 mutations at the present time.

I haven't kept a record of these mutations but I have gotten a pretty good idea now of what works and what doesn't. Everything I have ever sacrificed that has produced a mutation has been a level 1 monster. I am not sure if sacrificing level 2 or higher monsters will produce a mutation because I have never tried. Also every mutation I have ever had was from two monsters of the same rank. The name or guild of the monsters doesn't appear to have any effect at all on success. To stress the creatures don't have to be the same just the same rank. I have tried extensively to sacrifice a C rank to a C+ rank and never had a mutation occur.

Of all 16 mutations they have either produced a B or B+ rank creature. About 6 or 7 of them have been skilled. I would at this time compare a mutation to be similar to a free rank B summons that is often aquired in game through events or raids.

I will continue to make note of my results and share them with you here.
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Re: Dark Summoner Monster Mutations
« Reply #2 on: October 07, 2012, 06:37:30 AM »
I have a mutation that I tried and it worked I tried to evolve my Magic Bolt Clarissa rank A but instead it mutated into Divinity Bow Clarissa A+ I found this to be highly unusual considering that all the information I've read about mutations on Dark Summoner so far says that mutations usually occur with monsters under rank A and most commonly with monsters of rank C.


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Re: Dark Summoner Monster Mutations
« Reply #3 on: October 13, 2012, 07:28:56 AM »
I do know that the Deep Dark Demon also mutates, my bf was trying to evolve it the other day and we were confused when the Evolve button said 'Special" instead.


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Re: Dark Summoner Monster Mutations
« Reply #4 on: October 24, 2012, 06:35:58 AM »
I have a mutation that I tried and it worked I tried to evolve my Magic Bolt Clarissa rank A but instead it mutated into Divinity Bow Clarissa A+ I found this to be highly unusual considering that all the information I've read about mutations on Dark Summoner so far says that mutations usually occur with monsters under rank A and most commonly with monsters of rank C.
Not a mutation bud... actually it always happens that way. The A+ evolved form of Clarissa is Div Bow... happens to a few other creatures as well.
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Re: Dark Summoner Monster Mutations
« Reply #5 on: October 24, 2012, 06:38:18 AM »
I do know that the Deep Dark Demon also mutates, my bf was trying to evolve it the other day and we were confused when the Evolve button said 'Special" instead.
Also not a actual mutation. It's called a "Special" because that is the evolution of DDD. This also occurs with other monsters like Chalk Dragon and Ebony Demon for example. A Special evolution is one in which the illustration changes. Also occurs when you evolve Spore Dragon and others.
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Re: Dark Summoner Monster Mutations
« Reply #6 on: November 03, 2012, 12:06:34 PM »
does it gives good skills b monster of just like breath skill . also whats the chances of of the mutation ?

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Re: Dark Summoner Monster Mutations
« Reply #7 on: November 09, 2012, 08:44:11 AM »
I was able to take a lvl1 jade rhinoc beetl to a lvl9 jade beetle and it evolved into a lvl 1 jade bettle + i have a pic im trying to figure out how to upload it

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Re: Dark Summoner Monster Mutations
« Reply #8 on: November 27, 2012, 07:57:19 AM »
Not sure if you call this a mutation or not, but I just sacrificed a Skeleton Dragon Lvl 6 to a Skeleton Dragon Level 1, both had a + Critical skill at level 1.   After sacrifice, the skill level increased to + Critical (2) on the one remaining.

Still pretty new, but this definately made the resulting card more attractive.

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Re: Dark Summoner Monster Mutations
« Reply #9 on: November 29, 2012, 04:08:36 PM »
   :o EVOLUTION=\=MUTATION.
So to the previous 3 posts on this thread, yer doin it wrong.
a mutation is when u combine 2 monsters to make an entirely different monster altogether.
An evolution is when u combine the same 2 monsters to make an A+ or AA+ version OF THE SAME CARD.

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Re: Dark Summoner Monster Mutations
« Reply #10 on: January 03, 2013, 03:26:35 PM »
Last week 2x scarlet fairy+ lvl1 (c+) to elven heroine lvl 1(b+)
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Re: Dark Summoner Monster Mutations
« Reply #11 on: January 09, 2013, 04:11:47 PM »
i try to mutate my monsters, but none of them do. I tried lots of times but there are no results

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Re: Dark Summoner Monster Mutations
« Reply #12 on: January 21, 2013, 01:58:48 PM »
Lindwyrm is a special evolve as well  ;)

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Re: Dark Summoner Monster Mutations
« Reply #13 on: February 03, 2013, 01:22:35 PM »
Does the summoner have to be a minimum level to mutate monsters properly?

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Re: Dark Summoner Monster Mutations
« Reply #14 on: February 13, 2013, 12:11:10 PM »
The very first time I tried it I sacrificed 2 lv 1 C monsters and got a Blood Blob A w slum breath. Since then I have I've tried to do it probably 200-300 hundred times and have had 2 more successful both level B, I think one had a skill and 1 didn't. It's probably not worth it, but I find little other use for those 1bp C monsters. They aren't worth the cost of sacrifice and don't amount to anything selling, so I figure it's worth spending 100 gold and taking a gamble on getting a skilled monster.

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Re: Dark Summoner Monster Mutations
« Reply #15 on: February 23, 2013, 09:05:21 PM »
I have lots of sacrifice & mutation experience, but I did not record any data.  ::)
But I can share some anecdotal info that "seems to be valid as far as I can tell."  ???
I gave up a long time ago trying for mutations with monsters above 1st level. I tried it with a lot of different levels, but none of them ever mutated. I've had many mutations & every successful one started with 1st-level monsters - both the target & the sacrifice.
Now, after trying for the mutation, I sacrifice the resulting 2nd-level monster to Power Up another monster. Whenever possible, I use 1-4 BP sacrifices to mutate higher BP monsters - mutation happens sometimes, but, if mutation fails, I still have a 5+ BP monster to use as a sacrifice.
My understanding is that + means that a monster is a mutation & will not mutate again - nor can a mutation result from its sacrifice. For mutations, sacrifice a C with a C, a B with a B, or an A with an A - my mutations have all occurred this way.
BTW, A-rank monsters can mutate, but it is probably too rare to be worth the attempt - it depends upon the particular monsters involved & your inventory of monsters at the moment. B-rank mutations are more common than A, but you'll have to decide for yourself if the sacrifice is worth the risk. I use C+ & many B+ monsters immediately as sacrifices to Power Up my Formations.
I hope some of this is helpful to you & that I haven't rambled too much!  ;)
« Last Edit: February 24, 2013, 10:04:02 AM by Möbius »
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Re: Dark Summoner Monster Mutations
« Reply #16 on: March 01, 2013, 11:07:56 AM »
The + does not denote a mutation. When you sacrifice cards to each other it will say mutation in big obvious letters across the end product if you have successfully mutated. Also the mutated card will result in a completely different monster. A, A+, AA and AA+ do not mutate. When you sacrifice one identical A or AA card to another it will result in the evolution of the card to an A+/AA+ version of that same monster and some A+/AA+ evolutions look a little different and have slightly different variations of the name. This is called a special evolution and is again not a mutation.

Dent: when you sacrifice any card with an identical skill (ie: agility up) to another card with that same skill it will either result in a skill up point so you now have agility up 2 (up to a max of 20 and higher on each card that skill up is successful). When the skill up sacrifice is not successful it will simply say power up and may give you nothing although sometimes it gives you a really tiny level boost. We calling this leveling skills or skilling up but it's not mutation. It's a good idea to skill up your formation cards as everyone does and it will make you better at battling. So if you are trying for mutations do not waste your A or above cards on the thought that they will.

I find that if you need extra money it's a better idea to sell the C up to B+ cards without skills and wait till you have time and money and then try for the mutations. Sometimes I'll get 2 or three mutations out of a dozen tries and then I' ll go through a hundred tries before I get one. It's not really worth more than bragging rights for having mutations. Unless you are real short on coins and need skills to skill up with.

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Re: Dark Summoner Monster Mutations
« Reply #17 on: March 03, 2013, 10:57:56 PM »
Thanks for the explanation & helpful tips! I understand everything you wrote, but the definition of mutation & the meaning of the + don't really matter to me. The real question is whether mutations can actually result from C+ & B+ monsters. So far, I've only seen mutations with C & B monsters - and I once saw a B Red Dragon & some other B monster mutate into a B+ Red Dragon. Recently, I began trying for mutations with C+ monsters - so far there have been none, but we shall see what comes.
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Re: Dark Summoner Monster Mutations
« Reply #18 on: March 04, 2013, 10:38:52 PM »
Thanks, again, for your advice, especially about selling. Before, I just didn't even think about selling monsters. I suppose I knew it could be done, but I never tried it. Since your post, I've been selling some of my monsters, and it's a great tactic. I appreciate your reminding me about it!
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Re: Dark Summoner Monster Mutations
« Reply #19 on: March 11, 2013, 01:34:05 AM »
Hey - I actually got mutations from sacrificing C+ monsters: 1 yesterday & 1 today! Thanks again for your advice!
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Re: Dark Summoner Monster Mutations
« Reply #20 on: March 16, 2013, 11:33:06 PM »
I have gotten several Mutations each day for the past few days - some of these were C Sacrifices & the others were C+. One day, I got 2 Mutations of each type. Today, two of my Mutations came in immediate succession - I was amazed! It seems that the system may be indifferent to the +, so that C & C+ may have equal chances of Mutation. I will continue tapping this source of Monster Skills & intend to actually choose a time period, record & analyze some data, and present my results here. See you later!
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Re: Dark Summoner Monster Mutations
« Reply #21 on: April 13, 2013, 08:33:09 PM »
Thank you so much Möbius for this data! I have a few questions about your studies. When you are sacrificing are you combining +'s and regulars? Example: C into C+ or C+ into C. Or are your sacrifices homogenous? Just to confirm at this point you the only discrimination you are using when determining your sacrifice is whether the monster is lvl 1 or not. Are you interchanging species as well as interchanging regular's and +'s as the main monster?

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Re: Dark Summoner Monster Mutations
« Reply #22 on: April 27, 2013, 10:33:55 PM »
Homogeneous - I sacrifice +s with +s, non+s with non+s - and all of them are always lvl 1. Once they reach 2nd level, I sell them. I give no regard to species, etc. - they are lvl 1 monsters of identical rarity, and all other parameters are variable. After I finish grad school next month, I'll run a little study for, say, 2-weeks to see how many mutations come up for a certain number of sacrifices.
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Re: Dark Summoner Monster Mutations
« Reply #23 on: May 03, 2013, 02:06:46 AM »
I do know that the Deep Dark Demon also mutates, my bf was trying to evolve it the other day and we were confused when the Evolve button said 'Special" instead.
Also not a actual mutation. It's called a "Special" because that is the evolution of DDD. This also occurs with other monsters like Chalk Dragon and Ebony Demon for example. A Special evolution is one in which the illustration changes. Also occurs when you evolve Spore Dragon and others.
I know a lot of monsters that say special when you evolve them, like the ones mentioned above, however I don't remember that being the case with DDD Because he just becomes DDD+, However this may be the case with the original special evo's, like crystal dragon, lindwurm, etc. these say special but name just gets a + after it.

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Re: Dark Summoner Monster Mutations
« Reply #24 on: May 03, 2013, 02:11:08 AM »
Monster Mutations
Monsters below A-level can mutate into other creatures through sacrifice. This only works if one creature is sacrificed at a time, and appears at this time to result in a random new creature which may be of higher tier than the original. The level of the new creature is reset to 1, regardless of the existing level of the mutated creature. When a monster is being mutated, the lightning around the pillars you see in the animation, is blue instead of purple.

It is unknown at this time what variables affect mutations, or if certain creatures have a set number of other creatures they can mutate into. At this time, the in-game documentation has very little information about this process and hopefully it will be a more developed mechanic in the future.


The in-game help states that "When you Sacrifice, there is a chance a mutation may occur where the enhanced monster metamorphoses into a different monster. In this case, the level of the mutated monster will go back to Level 1. Please note that mutations will not happen when more than one monster is consumed in a single Sacrifice. It is said that mutations are more likely to occur in Rank C monsterse." This appears to imply that mutations are entirely random, affected only by the Rank of the monsters involved.

If you have experimented with this mechanic, please post your experiences in the Talk section. Please include the tier, level and type of creature that was mutated, and the same for the one that was sacrificed, then the type and tier that was created.


Monster                         Rank                Mutated                 Rank
2x Green Soul Banshee                      Poison Spit Frog           B+
2x Verdgris Fairy           C              Bone Smash Ettin+   B+
2x Bone Smash Ettin+   B+              Copper Scale Serpent   
2x Violet Fairy                   C              Cyclops                            B
2x Red- Haired Chimera   C              Battle-Ax Beast         B+
I've been playing since July of last year, and I have yet to get a single mutation, however I stopped trying once I realized that the best you can hope for is to get something you can get from using raid crystals. Maybe if I seen some posts of people getting A/AA cards from this it would be much more appealing to try. Otherwise your simply wasting perfectly good sacrifice fodder. As it stands now this feature is subpar and only useful to new players who haven't gotten a solid form together.

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Re: Dark Summoner Monster Mutations
« Reply #25 on: May 12, 2013, 09:03:42 PM »
I understand your disappointment with Mutations. Most Mutation attempts do not result in a Mutation, but I have gotten rank-Bs with skills more than a few times. From my perspective, an occasional skill is worth it. I generally Sell the remainders, so you can't call it a total loss.
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